Territory-Language Information missing Romanian speakers in United Kingdom

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is missing Romanian speakers in United Kingdom.

2021 census counts 472,000 Romanian-as-main-language speakers in England and Wales

In 2021, Romanian moved into the top 10 main languages… In total, 0.8% of people (472,000) listed Romanian as their main language.

This doesn’t count Romanian-as-second-language speakers in England and Wales or any Romanian speakers in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

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Matthew H 
January 19, 2024 at 11:13 AM

I suggest to use 0.8% as in the census. It’s reasonable to assume that England and Wales is representative of whole UK.

Yes, update rest of UK languages too. Some current data such as “23% of UK population can read and write French” are risible.

Annemarie Apple 🍎 
January 19, 2024 at 1:27 AM
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I tried searching briefly and I didn’t see anything to support the claim that there would be more Romanian speakers in the UK than listed in the census. I think we should just stick with what’s in the census unless another reference is located.

It’s not on the wikipedia page for the language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language nor about

David Rowe 
January 18, 2024 at 10:15 PM

In the census data it gives data for people who claim a main language other than English or Welsh. The CLDR data includes those who use a language even if it isn’t their main language.

Census data has Polish 612,000 and Romanian 472,000.
CLDR data has Polish at 2,600,000 / 4% of UK population.
Since 472,000 / 612,000 is about 3/4, I was proposing to use 3% in the CLDR data for Romanian.
In essence, I’d be assuming that the same percentage of people would use Romanian even if it wasn’t their main language as those using Polish even if it isn’t their main language.

But I’m happy to go with 0.8% and just count those whose main language is Romanian.

Annemarie Apple 🍎 
January 18, 2024 at 5:13 PM

Shouldn’t we list it as % of people who list it as one of their ‘main’ languages? e.g. ‘Romanian (0.8%, 472,000)’ according in the 1.Main points section of the link included in the task description.

Where was the bit about the relative number of primary language speakers between Romanian and Polish? I didn’t see it?

David Rowe 
January 11, 2024 at 7:29 PM

Is adding Romanian at 3% a reasonable course of action?

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Created November 30, 2022 at 12:05 AM
Updated August 26, 2024 at 3:51 PM
Resolved August 26, 2024 at 3:51 PM